Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Hi,
I'm interested in choosing the optimal slit width for a low resolution spectroscope (R ~ 100) and very faint objects (SNs, QSOs), depending on the camera pixel size and telescope focal length etc. I tried to search the web but didn't find much. Do you know any articles considering this issue?
Cheers
Jarek
I'm interested in choosing the optimal slit width for a low resolution spectroscope (R ~ 100) and very faint objects (SNs, QSOs), depending on the camera pixel size and telescope focal length etc. I tried to search the web but didn't find much. Do you know any articles considering this issue?
Cheers
Jarek
Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Hi,
I'd like to use the smallest slit (minimise the sky background) but NOT LOSE any light stream of the object.
SCT telescope: D = 250 mm and f/6.3
My "homely" conclusions so far are:
Calculating: 7.8um (1.03") Airy disk but assuming 3" seeing I've got 22.7um.
Conclusions:
23um slit for 13um pixel size should be good. Am I right or not?
I'd like to use the smallest slit (minimise the sky background) but NOT LOSE any light stream of the object.
SCT telescope: D = 250 mm and f/6.3
My "homely" conclusions so far are:
Calculating: 7.8um (1.03") Airy disk but assuming 3" seeing I've got 22.7um.
Conclusions:
23um slit for 13um pixel size should be good. Am I right or not?
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
With an ALPY 600, the slit width is a 23µm and you can take very faint target with this spectrograph (around 17-18 with a 200-250mm telescope).
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Thank you Olivier. Yes, I know that Alpy 600 got 23um slit, but I have adjustable slit and I wonder what width is the best for my purpose.Olivier GARDE wrote:With an ALPY 600, the slit width is a 23µm and you can take very faint target with this spectrograph (around 17-18 with a 200-250mm telescope).
By the way, 17-18 mag is a great achievement with Alpy 600 and 8-10" telescope, I suppose.
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
It's possible, look at this post :Jaroslaw Grzegorzek wrote: By the way, 17-18 mag is a great achievement with Alpy 600 and 8-10" telescope, I suppose.
http://www.spectro-aras.com/forum/viewt ... f=6&t=2552
LHIRES III #5, LISA, e-Shel, C14, RC400 Astrosib, AP1600
http://o.garde.free.fr/astro/Spectro1/Bienvenue.html
http://o.garde.free.fr/astro/Spectro1/Bienvenue.html
Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Of course, I believe it's possible. It doesn't change the fact that it is extremely difficult. Great appreciation for Etienne Bertrand.Olivier GARDE wrote: It's possible, look at this post :
http://www.spectro-aras.com/forum/viewt ... f=6&t=2552
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
HiJarek,Jaroslaw Grzegorzek wrote:Hi,
I'm interested in choosing the optimal slit width for a low resolution spectroscope (R ~ 100) and very faint objects (SNs, QSOs), depending on the camera pixel size and telescope focal length etc. I tried to search the web but didn't find much. Do you know any articles considering this issue?
Cheers
Jarek
I am interested in the same thing. It is a balance between the fraction of the light collected from the star and the noise added by including more pixels.(from the camera and the sky background). The exact calculation is possible using numbers for the fwhm of the star image, the camera noise and the light pollution, similar to the calculation here for photometry by Michael Richmond
http://spiff.rit.edu/richmond/signal.shtml
Christian Buil has done something similar for spectroscopy
http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/compute/compute.htm
Of course you must also consider the loss of resolution for a wider slit so the same resolution needs a higher dispersion which then adds more noise
Cheers
Robin
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
The number of pixels per slit width is also a factor which affects the SNR.Robin Leadbeater wrote:
It is a balance between the fraction of the light collected from the star and the noise added by including more pixels.(from the camera and the sky background).
You also need to consider how wide the binning zone should be. There are algorithms professionals use to optimise this. ISIS uses one for example.
Cheers
Robin
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
You can also find a calculator to estimate the slit losses here on the CAOS group website
https://spectroscopy.wordpress.com/2009 ... alculator/
(Note sure what calculation Christian's spreadsheets use)
Robin
https://spectroscopy.wordpress.com/2009 ... alculator/
(Note sure what calculation Christian's spreadsheets use)
Robin
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Re: Slit width for low resolution spectroscope.
Robin, thank you for these hints.
Jarek
Jarek