Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Vincent Lecocq » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:26 am

hello,

new spectrum of nova Cas 2020; recorder this night (12-13/09):


clear skies,

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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Christian Buil » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:40 pm

C''est très surprenant Vincent, on a fait en gros le même spectre avec le même télescope (je suppose que c'est un Newton Kepler 250 f/4.5), le même temps de de pose et au même moment :

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Ce qui change cependant c'est le spectrographe et la caméra. Dans mon cas UVEX, qui accepte des capteurs relativement larges et donc une couverture spectrale assez identique à la tienne, mais avec un réseau de 600 t/mm qui donne une résolution spectrale supérieure.

En revanche, en contre-partie, le RSB est supérieur chez toi.

Très intéressante comparaison.

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P Cygni profiles changing

Postby John Coffin » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 pm

It’s interesting to try and relate the spectra to the light curves. This is a fascinating object.
Here is the latest AAVSO light curve

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Last night’s spectrum compared with the 5th September

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Can anyone explain why there isn’t an absorption line associated with the H alpha emission line?
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Francois Teyssier » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:19 pm

It’s interesting to try and relate the spectra to the light curves.

Yes, during the re-brightening, the spectrum recovers -more or less- the previous aspect, with notably P Cygni profiles in numerous lines (Balmer, Fe II (42) ...)

The spectral changes, with practically no exception, follow what may be
called “Stratton’s rule.” This was stated by its originator as follows: “The spectrum
varies with the magnitude. As a rough generalization it may be said that a maximum
corresponds to a spectrum which is normal at an earlier stage of the star’s history”
(Stratton 1920, p. 65).
in McLaughlin (1955): The Spectrum of the Slow Nova V 356 Aquilae (1936)

why there isn’t an absorption line associated with the H alpha emission line?

In fact, there's an absorption in H alpha, with about the same (at a first order) than in other Balmer lines.
But the intensity of the emission in H alpha is much greater (see "Balmer decrement"), thus the absorption is "diluted" in the emission and will produce only a change of slope in the blue part of the emission line.
This is the reason why H beta (for example) produces -generally- much more information about the physics of the object than H alpha.
i.e. for observers using a Lhires III with gratings 600 to 2400 l/mm, the H beta range (for example) is much more interesting than H alpha range
Have a look on Peter's monitoring of the nova in the database.

All the best,
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Christian Buil » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:44 am

A near infrared spectrum (I use here UVEX 600 l/mm grating blazed at 750 nm and a 35 microns slit on a T250 + Barlow, see explanation here:
http://www.spectro-aras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2624 )

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For the curiosity, comparison and calibration of nova spectrum, some Cassopiea constellation star IR spectra:

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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Christophe Boussin » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:14 pm

Hello all,

Here is my new update for the nova Cas 2020 with the following spectra obtained with my alpy 600 :

the 10th of September at 21 h 22 TU (resolution of 509, JJ = 2459103.3903) and an acquisition time of 80 min :
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Nova Cas 2020 on September 10th, 2020
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the 11th of September at 22 h 42 TU (resolution of 506, JJ = 2459104.4459) and an acquisition time of 85 min :
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Nova Cas 2020 on September 11th, 2020
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the 12th of September at 22 h 54 TU (resolution of 505, JJ = 2459105.4542) and an acquisition time of 75 min :
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Nova Cas 2020 on September 12th, 2020
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the 13th of September at 22 h 29 TU (resolution of 505, JJ = 2459106.4372) and an acquisition time of 85 min :
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Nova Cas 2020 on September 13th, 2020
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Nova Cas 2020 on August 5th, 6th, 7th, 15th, 17th, 24th, 25th and on September 6th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th 2020 (identification of lines from PlotSpectra)

The relative intensities of the Balmer lines are now decreasing since September 6. Those of [OI] lines at 6300A and 6364A have also been decreasing, since September 10, as well as the FeII lines but still clearly visible.

Evolution of the Halpha line :
novacas2020_20200913_937_Christophe Boussin_Halpha.png
Halpha line on August 5th, 6th, 7th, 15th, 17th, 24th, 25th and on September 6th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th 2020
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Evolution of the [OI] line :
novacas2020_20200913_937_Christophe Boussin_OI.png
[OI] line on August 5th, 6th, 7th, 15th, 17th, 24th, 25th and on September 6th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th 2020
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Clear skies !

Christophe BOUSSIN
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Peter Somogyi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:42 pm

Comparing my result from yesterday to previous (2020.09.12 and 18), in the IR it looks like the N I emissions got stronger - relatively to all other lines:
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It is causing the rightmost Ca II 8662 blending with the neighbour N I emission.
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Vincent Lecocq » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:06 am

hi all,

i wanted to plot all the spectra of nova cas on the same 3d plot as a time serie.
at a first glance, i obtained that (julian day as x axis, wavelength as y, and relative intensity as z) ...

i'd like to know if there was a need to make any normalization before this operation ? are the spectrum of the database comparable between then as it or is there a need to make an operation before thaht ?

thank you,

vincent
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Olivier GARDE » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:18 am

Vincent,

Si tu utilises des spectres en provenance de divers spectro ayant des résolutions différentes, tu n'auras pas la même intensité des raies en emissions : plus la résolution est importante, plus la raie sera profonde.

A mon avis il faudrait que tu "dégrades" les spectres à la résolution du spectre le moins bien résolu pour pouvoir comparer une évolution...
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Re: Nova in Cassiopea (nova Cas 2020)

Postby Vincent Lecocq » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:28 am

ok, merci Olivier, je vais essayer !
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