CH Cyg 2018

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CH Cyg 2018

Postby Francois Teyssier » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 am

New season and still surprizing ...

chcyg_20180210_191_FMTeyssier.png


H beta:
Very deep central narrow absorption (under the continuum)
and a broad and deep absorption at -350 km/s (max velocity = -500 km/s)
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Helium lines (He I) have vanished
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(comparison with the last spectrum in the database, obtained by Joan)

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I recall that several professionnal teams are working on our spectra.
Coverage at the best cadency as possible is requested.

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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Peter Somogyi » Sun May 27, 2018 8:36 pm

Hello,

Let me report here an experiment I've made.
Last year I've shot 2 x 10 minute exposures for the CaII region (unsent due to low snr and faint blue), that I've repeated yesterday (6 x 10 min, lately found too easy), R~5200 in both cases (35 micron slit, ATIK 428 EXm).
Now using the last year's experiment as a baseline, the emission velocities of that time look as if they were negated:
overall_chcyg_pso_20170527_vs_20180526.png
last year vs yesterday

To compare velocities of more Balmer in overall (borrowing a recent H-beta from Francois):
compare_ha_hzeta_caII_hb.png
compare various Balmer and CaII velocities

I will be curious whether we see this -500 km/sec at H-zeta in the database soon (in 2015 we saw -1500 km/s, last year was mostly silent). At least, the lower Balmer lines are now a matter of suspect consisting of both absorptions + emissions.
For now this was just an experiment, documenting the result.

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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Francois Teyssier » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:20 pm

CH Cyg is rapidely fading (see:http://spectro-aras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2055)
(V = 6.6 to 7.5 in a few days)
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AAVSO V band
There's now an AAVSO alert upon the request of Margarita Karovska
https://www.aavso.org/aavso-alert-notice-639
We have several spectra in the database during the fading : http://www.astrosurf.com/aras/Aras_DataBase/Symbiotics/CHCyg.htm

High cadency coverage of this event is strongly recommended
Low resolution spectra (R =500) welcome if the atmospheric response is good. There are strong variations of the continuum.

Significant changes of the emission spectrum
For instance [OIII] ranges
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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Francois Teyssier » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:09 pm

Information from Augustin Skopal:

This is an anomalous minimum.
It looks like an eclipse effect, but its time position does not agree
with any ephemeris for eclipse timing in the long-period binary system
or in the short-period triple star system (see e.g. IBVS 4157 (1995)).
Behaviour of colours and spectroscopic observations prior to, throughout
and after the minimum should identify possible nature of the current minimum.


p.s. when the continuum decreases by (to say) a factor of 3, then
also strength of emission lines will decrease with the same factor.
Therefore, comparison of the spectra with different levels of the
continuum, but scaled to the same value, will not show real changes
in line fluxes.
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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Robin Leadbeater » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Francois Teyssier wrote:Information from Augustin Skopal:

p.s. when the continuum decreases by (to say) a factor of 3, then
also strength of emission lines will decrease with the same factor.
Therefore, comparison of the spectra with different levels of the
continuum, but scaled to the same value, will not show real changes
in line fluxes.[/i]


The wide spectral coverage of the LISA/ALPY spectra could be useful here. These can be combined with the photometric data to produce a flux calibrated continuum level. This can then be applied to the high resolution eg LHIRES spectra covering any specific region to produce high resolution flux calibrated spectra.

Robin
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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Olivier GARDE » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:09 am

My last spectrum of CH Cyg taken with eShel II

Image

Order #34 (H Alpha)
Image

[OIII] range
Image

And Balmer Lines
Image
LHIRES III #5, LISA, e-Shel, C14, RC400 Astrosib, AP1600
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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Francois Teyssier » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:16 pm

An update during the decline
It looks that the luminosity is stable (with flickering) at about V = 7.5 since the begining of July
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Evolution a few lines from Echelle spectra obtained by Tim Lester, Joan Guarro and François Teyssier

H Beta
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[OIII] range: incresing [OIII], He I which was in absorption, now in emission
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He I, complex behavior
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As usual, [OI] almost stable (unless its intensity)
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Of course, we continue the monitoring of the event

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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Peter Somogyi » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:28 pm

As per last nights result, CH Cyg is coming back:
chcyg_pso_0526_0713.png
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I've been using the wide slit (2-star method) with HD 191026 for my last 2 observations.
Here is the way I've been extracting absolute flux:
2018-05-26.929: used asdb_20180521_056 (JMO) + aavso around 05-26 (a bit speculative due to the 5 days shift)
2018-06-30.883: used asdb_chcyg_20180630_958 (VMA) + aavso
2018-07-07.865: wide slit + HD 191026 (notice the accidental match with 2018-06-30.883 !!)
2018-07-13.867: wide slit + HD 191026
As I notice, the M-ish features / the tiny emissions (when subtracting M7III they look so) flux remained constant.

Happy observing!
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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Peter Somogyi » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:31 pm

Got the possibility to shoot CH Cyg over the whole weekend (all absolute flux), presenting now the outcome:
chcyg_pso_0707_0715.png


I did check several times the flux level of 07.14 (really lower than 07.13 and 07.15), but all the 3 wide slit fluxes show very similar result.
The same continuum level on 07.13 and 07.15 is surprising (whilst 07.14 is really an exception).
Additionally, the H8 profile has changed considerably within 1 day (confirms H9 and maybe H7), compared to a so far very much constant double-peaked absorptions shape observed since 2018.05.26.
I will be curious what has changed in the visual.

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Re: CH Cyg 2018

Postby Francois Teyssier » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:12 pm

Thta's great, Peter

will be curious what has changed in the visual.

As usual, almost nothing :)
H beta
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The luminosity looked to recover until July, 15th, but declined afterwards
Excellent coverage of the event.
To continue!
François
(Currently on the target)
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